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Jason Xado
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:44:10 -
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While I can't say I agree with CCP's decision in this regards, I do understand it and I do respect it.
I will miss the ice mining, but it appears to be time to lay off my "employees" and go find something else worthwhile to do within New Eden. |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2014.12.05 21:49:45 -
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This whole situation is insane.
1.) CCP says you can't use the multicast feature in ISBoxer. 2.) Well with video FX (which CCP has said windows management features are fine) I get the same functionality, just have to click once per client.
So in summary CCP is saying that if you have 1 client you click the button 1 time. If you have 10 clients you click the button 10 times.
Is that really what CCP is saying? Because that is kinda silly.
What exactly is CCP trying to enforce? What is their goal? Why the secrecy around their goals? I'm very confused.
If they goal is they want everyone to have one client (as CCP Falcon has stated in other forums), then this isn't going to work? Unless the plan is to simply ban anyone who is mining with more than a few characters and just ignore the content of the original post? In which case why even have the thread?
CCP really needs to clarify what they are going for because one half or the other is going to be disappointed and that isn't good customer service in my book.
Or maybe keeping everyone confused is their plan, but that isn't very good customer service either.
For the life of me I don't understand why CCP is happy to sit back and have their community go at each other like this, instead of clearly stating what their goals are. Then again, maybe that is the plan. Maybe we are entertainment for bored CCP employees who like to read our forums and watch us fight like little kids.
I'm tired...so very tired. Time for some sleep.
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2014.12.05 22:50:40 -
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Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:you need clarification for that? See one of the first pages, 1 input = 1 action. If this is true: you have nothing to worry about. 1 input = more than 1 action: not allowed.
How long should one pause between words?
If I say "shieldsfire" , real fast, would that cause a ban?
Or should it be "shields" ... wait 5 seconds ... "fire"?
Just curious. |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2014.12.10 17:23:06 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:I don't understand why people are trying find loopholes to get around the ruling or try to twist words to justify continuing what they have been doing. Either accept the ruling or WoW is other there >>>>>>>
1.) Could you give an example of someone trying to find a loophole? 2.) What is your interpretation of the ruling?
Just curious. Thanks. |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2014.12.10 17:55:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Getting rid of broadcasting is seen as a quick win. It's relatively easy to spot and makes a lot of idiots who don't realise how ISBoxer is used happy for a short while.
Do you really think that is what CCP is trying to accomplish? I'm not disagreeing I just hope they have thought things through more than that.
I personally have no clue what so ever what their overall goal is. They haven't said what it is. I wish they would though. |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2014.12.10 18:19:01 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: If it's not, then I honestly can't see what else they are trying to accomplish. If there is anything else, then they missed.
I'd be VERY surprised if they tried to get rid of multiboxing altogether.
So you are saying they are intentionally just making people happy for a short while? To what end?
There will still be large multiboxing mining fleets after this change.
I just can't believe their goal is just to make people on the forums happy for a couple weeks. There is more here than CCP is saying.
CCP Falcon has already stated in other forums that he doesn't like multiboxing and would prefer every character to be controlled by just one player. I just don't see any other reason for this change other than a ramp up to get rid of multiboxing in general. Maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist, but I can't think of any other rational explanation.
I ran the experiments and I can just as easily control my 12 man mining fleet before and after the change with just 12 extra clicks per cycle and a slightly longer (as in half a minute longer) set-up time. You don't even need the round-robin everyone is going on about, you just need video-fx, which CCP has said is fine.
In short, this change will only get rid of people like me who will be quitting on the principle of the matter, and I can't imagine there are very many people who will quit simply on principle, so that will have little impact.
I just don't understand what they are going for. I really, really, really, really wish I did. Only CCP can remedy that problem with a simple post in this forum.
But I'm not holding my breath for that one.
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:46:29 -
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Well I tried the single account thing for a bit, just to give CCP the benefit of the doubt. Conclusion, this game is boring with a single account. Since this is a feedback thread here is my feedback:
1.) I don't like this change. 2.) I'm leaving. 3.) No you can't have my stuff (it is safely stored away in the unlikely event CCP comes to their senses someday).
P.S. Yes video FX, round robin, blah blah blah blah, I could continue to multibox with other methods, but that is like going to the store and waiting in line, I just go to another store that doesn't make me wait in line for arbitrary reasons.
Well this game was a fun MMO-RTS while it lasted. Anyway so long and thanks for all the fish.
Fly safe o/ |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.03.26 14:42:51 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:
I'm simply trying to bring you all back on the topic which is input automation.
It is not only about input automation, as has been shown in the security talk at Fanfest. They now consider more than input automation to be cheating. They also now consider using VideoFX features of ISBoxer to also be cheating.
Basically if you are using more than a couple of accounts, CCP reserves the right to Ban you for whatever reason they deem appropriate.
It is what it is, and I think the war is lost and we all just need to be happy with our couple of accounts and call it a day.
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.03.27 01:04:38 -
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I got to thinking about this a bit more and I think I know what is going on here.
CCP is hostile to people who prefer solo game play. They only want non solo players in Eve. Therefore they wish to take away the tools that solo players have from being on equal footing with groups.
Well played CCP. Well played. |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.03.27 12:37:13 -
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Charadrass wrote: I could play with my 10 boxes solo.
Sure people can continue to multibox 10+ accounts, and they will.
CCP really doesn't mind if you multibox with a few accounts, so they really can't ban the 10+ account people and leave alone the few account people as that would look bad. Nor would they want to, as the people with just a couple accounts are not on a level playing field with large groups, so there isn't a problem.
But what they can do, and have done, is take away the tools that a player with 10+ accounts have to level the playing field against larger groups. They don't want the solo players to be effective against the group players, so they have removed a tool that allowed the solo player to be effective against the group players. CCP doesn't mind you being a solo player as long as you can't defend yourself against larger groups.
Anyway, just a theory. I use to have 12 accounts and peacefully mined ice in Providence. With ISBoxer I was able to defend myself against larger hostile groups. Now I no longer have the tools to do that. As a solo player that limits my options, hence the whole CCP doesn't want you to be a solo player theory. CCP is trying to force solo players to abandon their play style or be demoted into irrelevance.
It's CCPs game, they can do what they want. But at least now I have a good idea the "why" behind the madness :-) |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:07:23 -
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eXeler0n wrote:I have to say, that Charadrass is totally right.
I hate it, that I can't play more characters at the same time as my own personal skills allow me to. Unfortunately CCP has not integrated any multiboxing functionality into the client and also they banned every external tools that helps me to achive more then I could only with my personal skills.
I think this is unfair, as I now have to play as a normal player and can't feel any better, stronger or even cooler then other players. May I should quit Eve because now I have realized that I'm not a pro-gramer. Instead I'm only a small player like all the other players out there and because of this I feel really mad.
Instead of adepting this I think it's the best way to flame the forums and threaten other players and CCP with my lawyer. This is the only educated and mature way to handle my own inability to play (or leave) a game the way the create intended it to.
Exactly my point. CCP doesn't want solo players to have tools to compete with groups. If you don't want to join a group then you just have to live with the fact that CCP sees you as a second class citizen of the game. |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:52:09 -
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eXeler0n wrote:friends, play as intended
Once again, exactly my point. Solo players should not feel comfortable playing Eve Online. It is only for people who want to be in groups.
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:06:31 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Quite honestly they've got their priorities twisted and are kicking some of the most dedicated players who have invested thousands into the game in the nuts
Truth!
I think this is the part that bothers me the most. My reward for spending thousands of dollars on this game and being an extremely loyal fan for years is to be told that "Oh by the way, we think you are a filthy dirty cheater. We have always thought you were a filthy dirty cheater, but didn't want to say anything because we liked your money. But now for our own super secret reasons we want you to go away, you filthy dirty cheater."
Now I know I have a heart...for it is broken. |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.03.28 13:40:54 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote: My suggestion to all multiboxers who are not happy with the current changes - UNSUB multiple toons. Don't quit the game, just play it the way the minority wants us all to, the way CCP is leading us, 1 person 1 active character.
Yea that is exactly my plan as well. I am liquidating all of my assets and converting my net wealth into plexes. I am going to start up a brand new character on a new account, plex out the account with the plexes from the liquidation.
CCP will then have that amount of time to impress me enough to stay before I give them another penny of my money.
To be honest though the one character thing so far just hasn't engaged me, so I don't know how long that will last.
I still just don't understand why CCP has deemed the way I want to play the game, a way I have been playing the game for years without issue, to now be cheating.
CCP, I love EVE and I love you, why are you treating me like garbage? I just don't get it.
Well haters gonna hate I suppose and in this case the haters actually won :-(
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.04.05 15:41:14 -
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With two monitors I can control two account extremely well without the need of ISBoxer.
Why is it morally right to be allowed to control two accounts well, but it's not O.K. to do the same with 5 accounts, or 10 accounts, or N accounts?
Why is controlling 2 accounts efficiently not considered cheating and running 10 accounts efficiently is considered cheating?
Why?
Why is it O.K. for groups of players to do this, but not O.K. for a single player?
I just don't understand why groups are considered morally superior to solo players.
I am open minded and willing to try and understand why groups are better, but in a sandbox game I just don't understand why it is O.K. for 10 people to fly 10 ships and do what they will, but it is not O.K. for 1 person to fly 10 ships and do what he will. In game terms there is no difference. The 10 ships controlled by 10 players have the same effect in the game as the 10 ships controlled by the one player.
I just don't understand. I would like to understand, but I just don't understand. |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.04.05 20:58:36 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
You can do all that. You can control as many accounts as you like.
Your just not allowed to break the EULA whilst you do it.
Why can't you understand that?
You still haven't answered the question of why group play is considered morally superior to solo play?
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.04.06 01:11:42 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
You can do all that. You can control as many accounts as you like.
Your just not allowed to break the EULA whilst you do it.
Why can't you understand that?
You still haven't answered the question of why group play is considered morally superior to solo play? That would be because I don't think group play is consider morally superior to solo play.
Then why are group players allowed to play multiple ships efficiently and solo players are not?
Why was the tool that was allowed for years that allowed solo players to compete with group players taken away?
I use to be able to ice mine in null sec space and defend myself against small groups. Now I cannot. Why, if not for the fact that CCP is now hostile to solo gameplay. |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.04.06 01:53:22 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote: Solo players can play as many accounts as they want too, the same as group players can. How efficient a player is, is down to the player.
Says the groups player who likes to run around and kill all the poor little solo players who aren't superior enough to join a group. |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.04.07 12:22:13 -
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corebloodbrothers wrote:Noone misses a bombrun of 3 waves of 20 bombers in total done by 1 guy
Why is it O.K. for a group of players to do the bomb run, but not O.K. for a solo player to do the bomb run.
Why do you consider the group players morally superior to the solo players? Why does the CSM not want solo players to have the tool to defend themselves? Why are you trying to force your "group up" play style on other players who don't want to "group up"? I thought Eve was a sandbox?
I'm not asking for a change. I have moved on. I'm just asking for the simple courtesy of explaining why CCP and the CSM is against solo players defending themselves against groups.
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.04.07 13:14:42 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Stop. Cheating.
As the metrics have shown we have stopped cheating.
The questions at hand are:
1.) Why did I wake up one morning a cheater, when I wasn't a cheater the day before? 2.) Why does CCP and the CSM not want solo players to be able to defend themselves against group players? 3.) Why is CCP and the CSM wanting to force me to "group up" in a sand box game.
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2015.04.07 16:15:16 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:[quote=Jason Xado] genuine solo players
Sure as long as those "genuine solo players" don't have the tools to defend themselves from the groups all is good, correct?
If they want to defend themselves from the groups they should "group up", correct?
We wouldn't want those solo players to be able to defend themselves from groups now would we. That would just be wrong. |

Jason Xado
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.10 13:03:26 -
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Charadrass wrote:if ccp is naming their game a sandbox game, they shouldnt interfere too much with it, cause forcing pilots into playing with others if they dont want to is not a sandbox.
This is what it all boils down to. CCP and the CSM are saying that if you want to do anything beyond just the basic gameplay you have to group up. They are gating end-game content for only people who are interested in the "group up" game play.
Before this change went into effect I could solo practically every aspect of Eve (eventually). Now I can only solo very basic content.
I still don't understand why the desire to force people to "group up" who are just simply not that interested in grouping up.
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Jason Xado
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.10 15:14:37 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
Not being able to do something the way you used to before does not mean CCP force you to do this. If you think it's no longer possible for you to mine ice without ISboxer, then do something else in the game. CCP is not forcing you to mine ice without the defence you used to be able to provide yourself.
Exactly CCP no longer wants solo players to be able to defend themselves from the groups.
That is what I have been saying. I just don't know why the sudden hostility to solo game play. |

Jason Xado
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.10 19:34:08 -
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Trakow wrote: To those who say they can't defend themselves against groups of people: MAKE FRIENDS! In case you haven't noticed, there are other people playing Eve that you can interact with so you too can also join a fleet or corp. If you can't make friends, then that's your personal social issue that you need to work on.
O.K. finally someone who might be able to answer my question.
Do you know why CCP now considered group play to be better than solo play and is trying to force solo players to join groups?
You seem to have a good handle on why group play is morally superior to solo play, so please help me understand.
Thanks.
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Jason Xado
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.10 21:19:52 -
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Trakow wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Trakow wrote: To those who say they can't defend themselves against groups of people: MAKE FRIENDS! In case you haven't noticed, there are other people playing Eve that you can interact with so you too can also join a fleet or corp. If you can't make friends, then that's your personal social issue that you need to work on.
O.K. finally someone who might be able to answer my question. Do you know why CCP now considered group play to be better than solo play and is trying to force solo players to join groups? You seem to have a good handle on why group play is morally superior to solo play, so please help me understand. Thanks. I don't see how you think that CCP considers group play to be better than solo play. You can still easily play solo. I have a couple characters that do, and aren't in corps with anyone. You can play solo and mine, or explore, refine and build, the options are many. However, if you plan to go into more hostile territory like mining in nullsec for example, it's probably best to go with some friends, but hey, that's your choice. If you decide to go mine in nullsec alone, then you're choosing to take that risk, and you should probably stab up. Same goes with anything else, like exploring wormholes for example. If you plan on doing so, it's best to have a fast and/or cloaky ship to minimize the risk. If you plan on taking a Bowhead full of ships across null/lowsec unescorted, that's your choice. Common sense really. Want to PvP? That's fine too, and it's not hard to find solo PvP'ers in nullsec, and avoid large groups, except sometimes gate camps, but even those are avoidable and can be escaped easily enough if you know what you're doing and you're fitted properly. Seeing a single person in local and finding him is a pretty safe engagement, but if local starts filling fast, then it's time to GTFO. Want to PvP in larger engagements with fleets? Then find a fleet. There's even a built-in fleet finder in Eve itself... Eve has always been a multiplayer game where you can team up and (insert gameplay pastime here), so I don't know what the issue is with needing to play solo and ONLY solo. Fleets and Corps' are not new, and most MMORPG's have their own versions (Guilds or whatever). Using some software to help you control your own fleet in an easier way than doing it manually is pretty lame IMO, and has the same honor in killing as shooting someone in the back, or back stabbing, whichever you prefer. I also don't see why people who do this think they're superior in the game. Most boxers have all their characters look similar and have similar names, so it's quite obvious on the KB when you see all parties involved that killed a single guy, and it just makes them look like a coward. If you're really hard set on playing solo, there's plenty of other space games out there that aren't online and don't even require an internet connection. Then you can do what you want and you won't be bothered by other real players in the game, and vice versa.
You still didn't answer the question. Why is group play considered better. You seem to misunderstand solo player vs. solo character. I am talking about a solo player, not a solo character.
If I want to run 10 accounts(with 1 player) and go toe-to-toe with 10 other accounts(with 10 players), why should the 10 accounts each with a player behind them be better than the 10 accounts with just one player behind them.
Before this change the 10 solo accounts could compete with the 10 group accounts. Now the 10 group accounts are better, per CCP mandate.
I still have the question. WHY????
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Jason Xado
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.11 12:38:27 -
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Trakow wrote:
I did answer your question, with a statement (see bolded underlined above) about how I don't know where you got the idea that group play is considered better. Who said that? Not me, and not CCP... And I WAS talking about solo players...
Also, you just admitted that "Before this change the 10 solo accounts could compete with the 10 group accounts.", therefore, there was an advantage since a single player could compete with 10 players, even more so if 10+ accounts run by a solo player were to engage a solo-character-solo-player. Thanks for proving the point.
No you still haven't answered the question, and your statement still shows a bias to group players (despite the underlined part above). Let me try a fill in the blank question.
10 identical ships being control by 10 players should have an advantage over 10 of the same identical ships being controlled by 1 player because _______________________?
I am trying to understand why you (and CCP) have a bias toward accounts controlled by multiple players vs. accounts controlled by only one player. I am trying to understand why all accounts are not treated equal. Here is the question in math form:
10 <> 10 because __________________?
Can you please answer the question? |

Jason Xado
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
208
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Posted - 2015.04.13 12:16:54 -
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Charadrass wrote:this is my last posting here.
i decided to stop wasting my time writing here and trying to get ccp moved to make a clear statement. sad to see how a game comes to an end by total ignorance of the publisher / programmer.
I agree I am done as well.
I wasn't asking for it to change I was just asking for CCP to have the common courtesy to explain why the change occurred. No one has answered that question, all they say is that nothing has changed and it is simply against the rules. Well that simply isn't true. Something has changed and after spending thousands of dollars on this game playing in my own little sandbox for years without a peep that I was doing anything wrong, CCP suddenly decides that how I play the game is cheating and doesn't even say why.
Well I'm done trying to get a simple answer on why, as obviously CCP doesn't want anyone to know for some reason or other. Hay it's their call if they want to be rude to customers, it's a free world.
Biomass in 10 seconds...
Fly safe and don't forget to have fun :-) |
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